Science and Religion

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Very strange.  I have tried again, using both links.  The first link acts like it is opening an Adobe Acrobat file in IE . . . and when it is finished the page is blank with no scroll bar on the right side.  When I download the file directly (using either link) it results in a file which Acrobat says it cannot decrypt.  I can’t say I’ve ever seen this problem before, and I’m not having problems reading Acrobat files from other sites, and downloading them in readable form if I like — I do it all the time, and did it yesterday with a file I thought was valuable. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > If you have a 1,382.235 PDF file then you’ve got the book, > all 480 pages. > I’ve  used Adobe Acrobat Reader  6.0 and 6.01 and it opens fine. > Others have downloaded and opened it with no problem (except, as > my web site notes, if they were using an old version of Acrobat). > I can’t guess why you’re having a problem unless the file was > corrupted during the download.

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> The only scientists that are atheists are the ones who refuse to see a > creators hand in the design of scientific principles.

One could similarly say that those who see ‘a creator’s hand’ in things, are the ones who refuse to see that 42 gods created the Universe (or 1,000,057 gods, or whatever). There’s an infinit number of possible gods. Those who believe in no gods have only rejected one more god than those who believe in one god. Religion is conjecture and seeing if something ‘feels right’ or ’seems to make sense’, or the adoption of someone else’s conjecture. Science, as imperfect as it is, is an attempt to understand, using conjecture, testing, observation, isolation of variables, publishing so others can see the data (and assumptions and testing/observation methods), and replication in case of error or bias. And all the time science is about doubt and a willingness to admit one might be wrong, due to error, misinterpretation, bias or insufficient observation. Karl Johanson

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Science and religion are diametrically opposed. Science is a construct of human rationality whereas religion is steeped solely in superstition and emotional hocus-pocus. 50,000 years ago, a survival advantage attached to religion and that is why religious inclinations are imbedded in the genes of many humans. Since the advent of science, 500 years ago, religion has been in a slow but irrevocable retreat. Since evolution always enhances advanced faculties, religious persons are being evoluted. They no longer can compete effectively with high-powered rational humans. Just look around you. 90% of scientists are atheists. Walter The Happy Iconoclast www.rationality.net –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Science and Religion > If you’re interested in science and in religion, and wish > the two were more in agreement, you’re invited to a free > download of the book "Science Without Bounds: > A Synthesis of Science, Religion, and Mysticism" > Free electronic copies available for personal and educational use > at http://www.adamford.com/swb > Here’s what some people have said about "Science Without Bounds". > One of the best on the Internet . . . for quality, accuracy of > content, presentation and usability. – Britannica Presents Internet > Guide Awards > Style is tight, clean and refreshingly free from scientific, mystical, > philosophical and theological jargon. . . . It’s the kind of book > where you’ll need to stop and do 15 minutes of deep thinking and > pondering every few pages . . . Outstanding book, engrossing, a > classic – Wendy Christensen, Inscriptions, the weekly e-zine for > professional writers, (InscriptionsMagazine.com) > Selected by The McKinley Group’s professional editorial team as a > "3-Star" site . . . a special mark of achievement in Magellan, > McKinley’s comprehensive Internet directory of over 1.5 million sites > and 40,000 reviews. > Found it very intriguing. A lot of your ideas had me nodding my head > in agreement. – Karl B. > I was astonished to read your book non-stop over 7 hours last night. > It was the best synthesis of the collective understanding I have read > in my 48 years. – S. R. > I’m impressed by the breadth of your understanding and the amount of > work you’ve obviously put into it. – R.W.K. > Wow! This is about all I can say at the moment. – Ella B.

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Downloaded file cannot be opened with Adobe Acrobat Reader 6.0.  Says it can’t be decrypted.  I’m not an amateur with Acrobat files . . . I create them all the time . . . or with many other file formats (have been using personal computers intensively for 17 years).  There is some corruption in the file.  Its file size is only 1350 Kb (1,382,235 bytes) which is extremely small for a "book", even if there are no graphics at all.  I’ve tried downloading several different ways — all of which end in the same result. Mark ‘Sporky’ Stapleton Watermark Design, LLC http://www.h2omarkdesign.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Science and Religion > If you’re interested in science and in religion, and wish > the two were more in agreement, you’re invited to a free > download of the book "Science Without Bounds: > A Synthesis of Science, Religion, and Mysticism" > Free electronic copies available for personal and educational use > at http://www.adamford.com/swb > Here’s what some people have said about "Science Without Bounds". > One of the best on the Internet . . . for quality, accuracy of > content, presentation and usability. – Britannica Presents Internet > Guide Awards > Style is tight, clean and refreshingly free from scientific, mystical, > philosophical and theological jargon. . . . It’s the kind of book > where you’ll need to stop and do 15 minutes of deep thinking and > pondering every few pages . . . Outstanding book, engrossing, a > classic – Wendy Christensen, Inscriptions, the weekly e-zine for > professional writers, (InscriptionsMagazine.com) > Selected by The McKinley Group’s professional editorial team as a > "3-Star" site . . . a special mark of achievement in Magellan, > McKinley’s comprehensive Internet directory of over 1.5 million sites > and 40,000 reviews. > Found it very intriguing. A lot of your ideas had me nodding my head > in agreement. – Karl B. > I was astonished to read your book non-stop over 7 hours last night. > It was the best synthesis of the collective understanding I have read > in my 48 years. – S. R. > I’m impressed by the breadth of your understanding and the amount of > work you’ve obviously put into it. – R.W.K. > Wow! This is about all I can say at the moment. – Ella B.

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The only scientists that are atheists are the ones who refuse to see a creators hand in the design of scientific principles. assuming your numbers are correct, which I dispute, does that make the other 10% less scientific? — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Science and religion are diametrically opposed. Science is a construct of > human rationality whereas religion is steeped solely in superstition and > emotional hocus-pocus. > 50,000 years ago, a survival advantage attached to religion and that is why > religious inclinations are imbedded in the genes of many humans. Since the > advent of science, 500 years ago, religion has been in a slow but > irrevocable retreat. > Since evolution always enhances advanced faculties, religious persons are > being evoluted. They no longer can compete effectively with high-powered > rational humans. Just look around you. 90% of scientists are atheists. > Walter > The Happy Iconoclast www.rationality.net > – > Science and Religion > If you’re interested in science and in religion, and wish > the two were more in agreement, you’re invited to a free > download of the book "Science Without Bounds: > A Synthesis of Science, Religion, and Mysticism" > Free electronic copies available for personal and educational use > at http://www.adamford.com/swb > Here’s what some people have said about "Science Without Bounds". > One of the best on the Internet . . . for quality, accuracy of > content, presentation and usability. – Britannica Presents Internet > Guide Awards > Style is tight, clean and refreshingly free from scientific, mystical, > philosophical and theological jargon. . . . It’s the kind of book > where you’ll need to stop and do 15 minutes of deep thinking and > pondering every few pages . . . Outstanding book, engrossing, a > classic – Wendy Christensen, Inscriptions, the weekly e-zine for > professional writers, (InscriptionsMagazine.com) > Selected by The McKinley Group’s professional editorial team as a > "3-Star" site . . . a special mark of achievement in Magellan, > McKinley’s comprehensive Internet directory of over 1.5 million sites > and 40,000 reviews. > Found it very intriguing. A lot of your ideas had me nodding my head > in agreement. – Karl B. > I was astonished to read your book non-stop over 7 hours last night. > It was the best synthesis of the collective understanding I have read > in my 48 years. – S. R. > I’m impressed by the breadth of your understanding and the amount of > work you’ve obviously put into it. – R.W.K. > Wow! This is about all I can say at the moment. – Ella B.

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> Science and religion are diametrically opposed.

Cute. However, quantum physics and general relativity theory are similarly "diametrically opposed", yet both are true enough to be very useful.

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> Walter > The Happy Iconoclast www.rationality.net

Or, ‘Objective Reality According to Walter’ I would recommend ‘The Meaning of it All’, Richard P. Feynman. Thoughts on reality from someone who really understands how science is done. Best, Dan. — http://lakeweb.net http://ReserveAnalyst.com

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If you have a 1,382.235 PDF file then you’ve got the book, all 480 pages. I’ve  used Adobe Acrobat Reader  6.0 and 6.01 and it opens fine. Others have downloaded and opened it with no problem (except, as my web site notes, if they were using an old version of Acrobat). I can’t guess why you’re having a problem unless the file was corrupted during the download. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Downloaded file cannot be opened with Adobe Acrobat Reader 6.0.  Says it >can’t be decrypted.  I’m not an amateur with Acrobat files . . . I >create them all the time . . . or with many other file formats (have >been using personal computers intensively for 17 years).  There is some >corruption in the file.  Its file size is only 1350 Kb (1,382,235 bytes) >which is extremely small for a "book", even if there are no graphics at >all.  I’ve tried downloading several different ways — all of which end >in the same result. >Mark ‘Sporky’ Stapleton >Watermark Design, LLC >http://www.h2omarkdesign.com > Science and Religion > If you’re interested in science and in religion, and wish > the two were more in agreement, you’re invited to a free > download of the book "Science Without Bounds: > A Synthesis of Science, Religion, and Mysticism" > Free electronic copies available for personal and educational use > at http://www.adamford.com/swb > Here’s what some people have said about "Science Without Bounds". > One of the best on the Internet . . . for quality, accuracy of > content, presentation and usability. – Britannica Presents Internet > Guide Awards > Style is tight, clean and refreshingly free from scientific, mystical, > philosophical and theological jargon. . . . It’s the kind of book > where you’ll need to stop and do 15 minutes of deep thinking and > pondering every few pages . . . Outstanding book, engrossing, a > classic – Wendy Christensen, Inscriptions, the weekly e-zine for > professional writers, (InscriptionsMagazine.com) > Selected by The McKinley Group’s professional editorial team as a > "3-Star" site . . . a special mark of achievement in Magellan, > McKinley’s comprehensive Internet directory of over 1.5 million sites > and 40,000 reviews. > Found it very intriguing. A lot of your ideas had me nodding my head > in agreement. – Karl B. > I was astonished to read your book non-stop over 7 hours last night. > It was the best synthesis of the collective understanding I have read > in my 48 years. – S. R. > I’m impressed by the breadth of your understanding and the amount of > work you’ve obviously put into it. – R.W.K. > Wow! This is about all I can say at the moment. – Ella B.

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Science and Religion If you’re interested in science and in religion, and wish the two were more in agreement, you’re invited to a free download of the book "Science Without Bounds: A Synthesis of Science, Religion, and Mysticism" Free electronic copies available for personal and educational use at http://www.adamford.com/swb Here’s what some people have said about "Science Without Bounds". One of the best on the Internet . . . for quality, accuracy of content, presentation and usability. – Britannica Presents Internet Guide Awards Style is tight, clean and refreshingly free from scientific, mystical, philosophical and theological jargon. . . . It’s the kind of book where you’ll need to stop and do 15 minutes of deep thinking and pondering every few pages . . . Outstanding book, engrossing, a classic – Wendy Christensen, Inscriptions, the weekly e-zine for professional writers, (InscriptionsMagazine.com) Selected by The McKinley Group’s professional editorial team as a "3-Star" site . . . a special mark of achievement in Magellan, McKinley’s comprehensive Internet directory of over 1.5 million sites and 40,000 reviews. Found it very intriguing. A lot of your ideas had me nodding my head in agreement. – Karl B. I was astonished to read your book non-stop over 7 hours last night. It was the best synthesis of the collective understanding I have read in my 48 years. – S. R. I’m impressed by the breadth of your understanding and the amount of work you’ve obviously put into it. – R.W.K. Wow! This is about all I can say at the moment. – Ella B.

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